OxShoeDrew
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Hello everyone, I found this Machin's Mills 1-47a about a year ago and want to sell it. Should I give it a peroxide bath? Do I want to remove the green layer or is that patina? Thanks, Drew
Thiltzy link=topic=12226.msg131161#msg131161 date=1357178240 said:Dunno if it enhanced the value ut I basically just wanted all remaining dirt removed then the renz wax just to preserve it. here is the dirty pics with an old camera
OxShoeDrew link=topic=12226.msg131222#msg131222 date=1357259979 said:Thanks everyone, I guess I'll start to shop it around as is. :crossfingers:
Dan, remind me the next time we hunt to bring the coindel link=topic=12226.msg131214#msg131214 date=1357254068 said:Todd i'd still like to see that coin in person sometime :yes: i really don't think he did a bad job he definately didn't over do it which i think is a good thing.
Thanks Dan, I'll contact him. You and he were the ones to identify this coin last year.del link=topic=12226.msg131261#msg131261 date=1357288888 said:Hey Drew Iron Patch on another forum knows a few dealers , he might even buy it from you himself. pm me if you need to know more info.
Dan
Sal, I've tried to formulate a price but there just isn't much precedent to be found. The one coin I found for sale online was a lot of money, but it was cleaned and you could see what was exactly on the coin. The green layer is hiding the exact details of my coin. I'm leaning forward sending it out for professional cleaning/grading.Sal66 link=topic=12226.msg131761#msg131761 date=1357989796 said::congrats: Nice find ! I totally agree with what Dan says . Once that patina is gone the coin will lose the detail, it locks the detail together. I had that issue with my 2 centers. I left all the patina on them and put a wax on to hold it all together. You can see my Trio of 2 cents in My Finds section.
The other thing you said was that it looks like the Patina wants to just flake off. That might just happen on it's own an if so then you'll just have to go from there if it happens. The wax idea is good if your not going to clean it, but if selling, you might want to leave it up to the buyer what to do. Do you have a price in mind ?
Goo Luck, Sal
OxShoeDrew link=topic=12226.msg131762#msg131762 date=1357993139 said:Sal, I've tried to formulate a price but there just isn't much precedent to be found. The one coin I found for sale online was a lot of money, but it was cleaned and you could see what was exactly on the coin. The green layer is hiding the exact details of my coin. I'm leaning forward sending it out for professional cleaning/grading.
Rondoutcreek link=topic=12226.msg146411#msg146411 date=1375522229 said:Just wondering how you wax your coins to seal the patina , THANKS
del link=topic=12226.msg131214#msg131214 date=1357254068 said:Drew if you plan on selling it , theres two things you can do ...
1. don't do anything to it and sell it to a collector or dealer as is ( you might get very lowballed on the price by the collector or dealer because he doesn't know what to expect from the outcome of the coin's condition on a professional cleaning and then he might have to pay to have it graded as well )
or 2. get it professionally cleaned and graded yourself (it might cost you a bit more but the dealer or collector can't despute the coin's appearance and possible value to much)
Todd i'd still like to see that coin in person sometime :yes: i really don't think he did a bad job he definately didn't over do it which i think is a good thing.
Mayadigger link=topic=12226.msg152197#msg152197 date=1382555646 said:Ave! Pretty sure that I was the one who restored Todd's coin. ;-)
Mayadigger link=topic=12226.msg152197#msg152197 date=1382555646 said:Having coins cleaned and graded from the same source sounds like a conflict of interest, but that's just me and what do I know?
Anyway, preserving patina on American Colonial issues can be a very iffy project, even for professionals. Unlike ancient Greek/Roman AE issues that have spent ages building up an intact patina beneath the earth, Colonial's tend to have thin/weak patinas, or worse, bronze disease, dependent upon the soil conditions. For instance, a few months ago, we received an early 1800's US Cent that in hand, appeared to be a simple clean off the dirt, wax and flip issue. Sadly, beneath both surfaces, we discovered that the coin was so shot with BD that there was nothing we could do to restore it. Nothing.
Best regards,
Kevin