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CyberSage
10-20-2014, 08:02 PM
So, what would you like to see in a new White's Detector? Now, I don't want to hear stuff like a solar powered coffee warmer on the arm cuff, or laser guided coil systems, but what features would be nice to see? Is it going to take a break from their current technology to compete with what Minelab is producing? Is VLF panned out, or is there still some new tricks to be exploited? Let's face it, there is more coins out there lost to masking rather than depth. What's it going to take to make Whites competitive again?

The Rebel
10-20-2014, 08:20 PM
Well Jack a few of my ideas would be based on my V3i:

1. Able to customize programs on my computer & then be able to upload them.

2. Some sort of automatic adjustments to maximize all settings to get the most depth possible (Kind of like an automatic ground probe). Then there could be some manual override to make finer adjustments.

3. Some sort of better hand grips. My fingers get so sore from them being wrapped around the handle for so many hours at a time. My hunts usually are about 5-6 hrs.

CyberSage
10-20-2014, 08:44 PM
Well Jack a few of my ideas would be based on my V3i:

1. Able to customize programs on my computer & then be able to upload them.



This was actually part of the original plan on the Vision, and Early V3's. They had wireless USB dongles being tested, but could not get the software written so it was reliable. Huge mistake. I don't know why they did not go with the USB option. Afraid of leakage I guess. Great ideas Rebel.

del
10-20-2014, 11:24 PM
What's it going to take to make Whites competitive again?

Jack , who ever discovers and perfects the technology of unmasking targets will sell a lot of detectors.

but i would settle for a true "real" discriminating pulse induction detector and hey while we're day dreaming , throw in a pinpoint toggle and tone id .

Lowjiber
10-21-2014, 09:31 AM
This was actually part of the original plan on the Vision, and Early V3's. They had wireless USB dongles being tested, but could not get the software written so it was reliable. Huge mistake. I don't know why they did not go with the USB option. Afraid of leakage I guess. Great ideas Rebel.
Jack, you may remember how mad I got at my friend, Jimmy Sierra, over that dongle.

White's really screwed that entire thing up... dongle, USB, WHATEVER. The thing that really wound-my-watch was that after White's decided to drop the whole thing, they came out with a firmware update that added about a zillion languages, etc. What a waste of space! A good engineer (Jeff Foster, for example) could have written and tested the routines in about three days.

Further "updates" just dumbed-it-down even more. That's why my original Vision will never go back to White's for an "update". I'm afraid of any more updates that might turn it into an ice-cream machine. You have a high-end detector that is fairly complicated... just polish the edges instead of wasting time/money trying to make it for everyone.

(Climbing off soap box now.:))

MangoAve
10-21-2014, 10:20 AM
who ever discovers and perfects the technology of unmasking targets will sell a lot of detectors.
throw in a pinpoint toggle and tone id .


So Invent one! lol. The pinpoint and unmasking might be something one in the same for what I will add. Not specific to white's detectors, but maybe a quad coil design where two smaller coils can be in the center. The "masking" where you can still find a coin is when the iron doesn't completely cover the target. We all know the falsing is when the smallest edge of the iron gives a false reading. Maybe when you get a falsing, you can switch to the smaller inner coils to pinpoint and verify if there is a true target there. Kinda like having the option of a smaller coil to sift through the trashy spots. Just the inner coils need to be balanced so it doesn't affect larger search coil depth or falsing. I say it as the machine uses one or the other at a time, but I am sure an algorithm can be used to utilize both to get better accuracy on target ID.

Beartoe
10-21-2014, 11:24 AM
The next step toward unmasking will be the tri-corder.

freemindstuck
10-21-2014, 01:32 PM
1. I would like it if they came out with a ripped off version of a SEF coil. Which are better at discriminating and more reliable.
2. A wireless coil design like the XP Deus would be nice. Swung a friends the other day and they are ridiculously light weight!
3. Having the option to have a few more things automatically adjust like the ground filter on the v3i. When I hunt rail stations there are big variations in mineralization and it is a pain to have to continually manually readjust.
4. Lithium Ion batteries. The Nickel metal hydrides on the V3I are inadequate.
5. It would be nice to be able to run in two frequencies sometimes on the V3I. I find the 22.5 to be more susceptible to EMI and it would be nice to be able to run in any combination of frequencies i wanted to.
6. Should be water proof!

Lodge Scent
10-21-2014, 02:52 PM
I think with the V3i you can tweak a few settings to do a coil test. But how about when you boot up, it does a coil check as part of the start sequence?

ANYTHING to enhance target separation. My next detector purchase will be the machine that does that the best.

A built in DNA sequencer in the coil that will let me know after a few swings if Dave or Todd hit the site already so I don't waste my time.

freemindstuck
10-21-2014, 03:18 PM
A jammer that interfered with all the detectors around you might be a nice feature. :cheesysmile:

CyberSage
10-21-2014, 04:59 PM
A jammer that interfered with all the detectors around you might be a nice feature. :cheesysmile:

Ya, and I can see people in the park with pacemakers dropping like flies. Very Funny freemindstuck, but Please stick on topic. Realistic features only. DNA sequencer does not qualify either. :lol: Always good to laugh, but when the next guy comes along, and digs an old coin you just passed over because your shiny new detector does not have what it takes to get the job done... Well, hat's not so funny. I think there are some great suggestions so far. I really like the option to run in two frequencies on the V3i, or better yet make the three frequencies 2.5 / 7.5 / 15 . That would fix the coil issues all the way around. Third party coils would magically start working again. Conditional response patterns would be great as well. It would take a faster CPU, but wouldn't it be cool to setup a condition in which the detector would elicit a response...

IF 2.5 frequency is dominent, AND target is deeper than 7 inches, AND response pattern is short THEN give response. You get the idea. Not nessisarely those parameters, but in general the ability to customize response on other factors, not just conductivity.

giant056
10-21-2014, 05:18 PM
I see that carl@whites has been banned from their forum, I was reading something a few months that I think was technetics or tesoro had just hired a new engineer and I figure it's probably Carl :grin:

CyberSage
10-21-2014, 06:53 PM
Carl is working for First Texas Products now.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/carl-moreland/8/481/4b5

He's a good Man. I hope this company gives him the creative leeway to realize some of his ideas. He is a very good Engineer. I was fortunate enough to work with him briefly on Beta testing the TRX before he left Whites. We have not always seen eye-to-eye, but then again I am no engineer. I have a tremendous amount of respect for him.

SeabeeRon
10-22-2014, 01:16 PM
So Jack, there must be something to the rumors I am reading on other forums of a new White's coming down the pipe?!? Very cool!!:cool:
Something they need to keep in mind is to try to keep it affordable for everyday metal detectorist. Maybe a cross between my MXT and my Sov GT!! ;):grin:
Also, interesting info about Carl! Wonder if Rudy knows??

CyberSage
10-22-2014, 03:59 PM
I hope they are not just renaming the Vision/V3/V3i/VX3 again, and slapping on a new decal. :lol: That would be great if they had a new product though! I have owned the MXT, DFX, and the V3. I am ready for some new technology!

del
10-22-2014, 05:26 PM
Jack , they will probably end up coming out with a coinmaster XII or a MX7 , personally if they don't "WOW" me soon with something I might venture out to the darkside or some other brand . I've about given up hope on the direction Whites is going and who is running that business.

CyberSage
10-22-2014, 09:07 PM
Nothing wrong with the "Darkside". Best move I ever made.

giant056
10-24-2014, 03:05 AM
A couple of years ago I remember an Engineer in the chatroom on Whites forum saying something about a hybrid VLF/pulse already proven but it was basically still a drawing board experiment at the time. I think that it might even have been Carl that said that but don't mark my word cause I'm not sure.

MangoAve
10-24-2014, 06:43 AM
a hybrid VLF/pulse already proven

I might concur. Well, I never saw the chatroom but my detector uses VLF while my pinpointer is pulse. If the coil is within say 3 feet of the hole I am digging, it will set the detector off even tho they are different technologies. I dont' see why they couldn't be combined. Maybe the sensing area can be larger that way.

Vito
10-24-2014, 01:31 PM
What I'd like to buy is a MXT with 3 available frequencies. Not that the MXT is a bad machine, it is the best all purpose machine in the market to me, easy to set up and great in the field. But I think a 3 kHz and a 22 kHz added to the 14 kHz setting will be nice and helpful. And depending on the v3(i), using the same coils, I think this will be no big deal. Upgraded software and a added switch.

That would do it for me.

pinpointa
10-25-2014, 08:50 AM
Hi Guys,
The v3i is a very good detector and i have found it is a lot tighter in setup compared to the e-trak. Using here in OZ i am really rapped at its seperation in between aluminium screw caps, shirt buttons ,brass eyelets. lead sinkers etc, with our coinage when cherry picking. I use coin and jewellery to accept our $1 and $2 coins with 3 vdi in front of the vdi of the coin 51, 52,53, $2 coin 54, $1 coin 55, 56.57.58.59,60.

I have a second Mixed Mode program which i accept discrimination on all vdi accept -95 and +95 and accept the toneal value to 54 for the $2 coin. And i use coin in 2.5 frequency non normalised for the seperation on the $1 coin. One thing which helps to id a screw cap is to swing over the coin from right to left at a faster speed than normal searching and you notice the coin the 3 bars are in a straight line where as the screw cap their will be two bars on the bottom on top of each other with the top one to the right. I feel Whites have done a great job with this detector but any more advancements in the future would be brilliant. The first manufacturer who can bring out a detector that only accepts round objects and can get rid of pull tabs to get the gold rings will make a killing.

Regards Pinpointa.

Beartoe
10-26-2014, 08:04 AM
I was out doing some hunting in the woods yesterday with my V3i and a Super 300/12 inch coil. After an hour or so it occurred to me that my hand was getting fatigued and I kept repositioning my grip. While hunting in the woods I have to constantly dodge trees, brush , rocks and debris. It is not like swinging a coil over a nice clean soccer field.

It would be nice if the hand grip was a half inch longer and more ergonomicly shaped. With my big hands I have to be careful to tuck my fingers beneath the trigger.

DirtyMoney
12-19-2014, 01:45 PM
Late to the game.:cheesysmile: Ideally, a PI with discrimination, tone id, a good vdi read out and waterproof to, say, 10 feet would be ideal. The technology doesn't seem to be there yet.

Things that need to happen yesterday: waterproof housings, lith-ion batteries, sef type coils, and better tone id selections - 1 or 191 don't make it for old ears. Neither do 1, 2 or 8. A 4 in that mix would really help.

Just a few thoughts from an old bum.

CyberSage
12-19-2014, 06:12 PM
Never to late around here DirtyMoney. Thanks, and good suggestions! We have a lot of great ideas coming from forum members on this thread. Hopefully a White's scout will find some useful ideas for their next machine.

I still would like to get away from the 22.5 frequency on the V3/V3i. A machine that functioned much the same as the V3i, but running at 2.5/7.5/15. All the old coils would then work, and bring back a wider selection of coils to choose from. This would be ideal for coin-shooting. It would be nice to have the auto ground tracking functioning better (like the MXT), and be able to hunt in single frequency, and pinpoint in multiple frequency. A USB Port is a must to program,and upload custom programs, as opposed to having to scroll through endless menus,sub menus, etc. How about factory reset that works without destroying the calibration of the unit?

dp4349
01-04-2015, 04:54 PM
1. USB connectivity. Share programs, update software, etc. With dedicated website.
2. Water resistant. Tired of having to stop detecting due to weather conditions.
3. SEF v-rated coils.
4. Internal cable along the shaft.
5. Lower price on wireless headphones.
6. Keep up the great customer service whites already has.

Just my 2 cents.

MXT SNIPER
02-09-2015, 09:09 PM
Vito, I like your thinking on the MXT however I would prefer 14khz 22khz 50khz since I nugget detect as well as coin/jewery hunt.

Carl
02-20-2015, 01:52 PM
This was actually part of the original plan on the Vision, and Early V3's. They had wireless USB dongles being tested, but could not get the software written so it was reliable. Huge mistake. I don't know why they did not go with the USB option. Afraid of leakage I guess. Great ideas Rebel.

A late reply, but for the record, the USB/wireless dongle was completed and fully working. About that time Minelab complained that the then-current V3 feature of wirelessly sharing user settings between units infringed on their patent for programming a detector. White's decided that the feature was not worth a legal battle so it was removed, and the USB dongle canceled.

del
02-20-2015, 06:59 PM
Carl good to hear from you , my congrats to your new move , how you liking the new gig??

Carl
02-20-2015, 07:26 PM
It's a lot of fun. Got a lot more resources, and working with DJ is a blast.

Vito
02-21-2015, 04:53 PM
Vito, I like your thinking on the MXT however I would prefer 14khz 22khz 50khz since I nugget detect as well as coin/jewery hunt.

What about 3 - 14 - 50 kHz? ...if possible.!?

Vito
02-21-2015, 04:56 PM
It's a lot of fun. Got a lot more resources, and working with DJ is a blast.

Glad to hear you like your job. Good for your health, too. All The Best.

CyberSage
02-22-2015, 09:57 AM
A late reply, but for the record, the USB/wireless dongle was completed and fully working. About that time Minelab complained that the then-current V3 feature of wirelessly sharing user settings between units infringed on their patent for programming a detector. White's decided that the feature was not worth a legal battle so it was removed, and the USB dongle canceled.


Good to hear from you Carl. Hope all is well with you. Thanks for the insight on this! I stand corrected. Too bad about the patent issues. That would have been a great feature, and extremely helpful with the myriad of settings. I got to use the wireless transfer feature just one time, but it worked well.

MartinL
02-24-2015, 05:46 PM
A late reply, but for the record, the USB/wireless dongle was completed and fully working. About that time Minelab complained that the then-current V3 feature of wirelessly sharing user settings between units infringed on their patent for programming a detector. White's decided that the feature was not worth a legal battle so it was removed, and the USB dongle canceled.

How long before the patent expires? It's already been a while.

Carl
02-25-2015, 03:26 PM
I think around 7-8 yrs

pescadore
02-28-2015, 02:41 AM
i would like to see a waterproof MXT.

The Rebel
08-19-2015, 11:30 AM
Having a self diagnosis screen appear with a simple "No Errors Detected" or "Errors Encountered" would be a nice feature to know your tector is operating correctly.

OregonVic
09-05-2015, 06:53 PM
I was thinking of a way to cut down on the EMI interference. My V3i is always getting the power line EMI.
I have heard that a RF choke can help. Any ideas on this?

freemindstuck
09-06-2015, 12:57 AM
I was thinking of a way to cut down on the EMI interference. My V3i is always getting the power line EMI.
I have heard that a RF choke can help. Any ideas on this?
I think all detectors have this problem. But I have noticed the same with my V3I. Although it is not the V3I but the 10" DD stock coil that seems to be susceptible to EMI. I found when I switched to Detech SEF coils much of my EMI interference went away. I wouldn't try the RF choke.

RaZR
09-06-2015, 12:39 PM
Everyone is always talking V3i. I'd like to see a nice L-ion battery for my beach hunter. Also some type of waterproof in-line connector so that different coils could be used on it. They should come with a straight shaft instead of the stock "S" shaft.

L-ion batteries for ALL White's machines. An easier to remove and replace coil bolt. And internal wireless headphone technology like what is in the V3i but with lighter headphones that can be recharged with USB. But not those crappy lite phones they sell now. Mine broke after only a few uses.