Sunday's Cellar hunt*3 copper day, Silver Knee Buckle, Dagger Hilt*

[Thiltzy]

While driving to some new sites at 6:00am Sunday, I said to Dave that I had a good feeling. The ticks were out in full force and I am still soar from all the hiking but it was worth it.
The scenery was gorgeous and so were the finds. Scored my second solid Knee buckle but this one seems older with an Iron tongue and chape that crumpled off when I cleaned it. Also found my 2nd ever dagger or rapier "Hilt":loveit: The 3 copper day included an interesting counterfeit Connecticut and a clipped planchet Connecticut. The 1831 has great detail and the detecting Gods even tossed in an Indian and wheat penny. Some tombacs and other relics just added to the fun.

 

[Tony Two-Cent]

Beautiful scenery, finds and photos, Todd! :loveit:

The counterfeit Connecticut and the Large Cent both cleaned up really well. I love the color of the Large Cent.

The dagger hilt is very cool too. You earned your nickname "Hiltzy" on that one!

But the find of the day must be that solid silver knee buckle! Too bad about the tongue and chape but let's face it, the buckle displays better without them. What a wonderful relic!

Congrats on the fantastic day! :clapping:

erfect10:

 

[del]

:shocked03: wow that Connecticut looks pretty similar to Jeff"s Counterfeit he found last year , also a sand cast example i wonder if they are the same variety .


the silver knee buckle is a beautiful piece Todd :loveit: getting two in one year is quite a feat. you had a super hunt .erfect10:

 

[Isaac]

Todd... just an unreal hunt there...:shocked05: another SILVER knee buckle to the collection and then that dagger hilt.... I'll be right back, gonna mop some of this drool off my keyboard :rofl: . Big congrats on these gorgeous personal items Todd.:smitten: Do you think this is a virgin site you're exploring? This is definitely your year, keep that streak alive! HH

 

[aloldstuff]

Great hunting Todd. Love the coins, even the clipped planchet adds to the eye appeal. Another silver knee buckle....huge :congrats:.


The "hilt" is something that does not appear that often. A little concerned, I don't see a picture of the wheat.....:lol:

 

[Bell-Two]

Simply lovely finds Todd, the sword/dagger hilt is awesome and the knee buckle....wowser! The counterfeit copper turned out nice. Do they ring up different than a genuine one? What composition are they as opposed to originals? Thanks for sharing just wonderful!

 

[Lodge Scent]

Wow indeed! Some very cool finds Todd. Eagle eye Dan is right. There is a strong similarity between the two counterfeit CTs.

 

[Trooper Bri]

Congrats on the 2'nd silver buckle and hilt Todd! Well worth the worn shoes.

 

[Thiltzy]

Tony Two-Cent

Beautiful scenery, finds and photos, Todd! :loveit:

The counterfeit Connecticut and the Large Cent both cleaned up really well. I love the color of the Large Cent.

The dagger hilt is very cool too. You earned your nickname "Hiltzy" on that one!

But the find of the day must be that solid silver knee buckle! Too bad about the tongue and chape but let's face it, the buckle displays better without them. What a wonderful relic!

Congrats on the fantastic day! :clapping:​

Your right Tony, the knee buckle frame looks better with out the crumpled iron guts. Thanks

del

:shocked03: wow that Connecticut looks pretty similar to Jeff"s Counterfeit he found last year , also a sand cast example i wonder if they are the same variety .


the silver knee buckle is a beautiful piece Todd :loveit: getting two in one year is quite a feat. you had a super hunt​

They do look like same variety Dan...good eye. I'm getting lucky with the solid silver buckles:happydance01:

Isaac

Todd... just an unreal hunt there...:shocked05: another SILVER knee buckle to the collection and then that dagger hilt.... I'll be right back, gonna mop some of this drool off my keyboard :rofl: . Big congrats on these gorgeous personal items Todd.:smitten: Do you think this is a virgin site you're exploring? This is definitely your year, keep that streak alive! HH​

Thanks Isaac, persistence is key. The site is not Virgin, we ended up at 3 different sites Sunday

aloldstuff

Great hunting Todd. Love the coins, even the clipped planchet adds to the eye appeal. Another silver knee buckle....huge :congrats:.


The "hilt" is something that does not appear that often. A little concerned, I don't see a picture of the wheat.....:lol:​

Thanks AL, I agree with you on the clipped planchet and the wheat was 1944 :lol:

Bell-Two

Simply lovely finds Todd, the sword/dagger hilt is awesome and the knee buckle....wowser! The counterfeit copper turned out nice. Do they ring up different than a genuine one? What composition are they as opposed to originals? Thanks for sharing just wonderful!​

Yes Tony, the counterfeits ring up much lower on the VDI scale. A normal CT copper rings up in the high 70's while counterfeits ring up usually in the 30-50 range. This one rand at 37 VDI

 

[kpmoose]

Nice dagger hilt and silver buckle. So cool. erfect10:

 

[Thiltzy]

Nice dagger hilt and silver buckle. So cool. erfect10:

Thanks Kevin, after some help with a friend researching the Hilt I think it may be a sword or rapier hilt http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ab/57/98/ab5798b205dcd8e762e23276d2dcab97.jpg

 

[HEAVYMETALNUT]

another sweeet hunt you had.these sites have all been pretty amazing in this area.i think i may have found a couple more interesting areas

 

[giant056]

Awesome bunch of finds you got there Todd :thumbsup02: Don't ya wish that when they made those shoe buckles that the entire buckle was made from silver!! Tony is right though the buckle looks much better without the corroded away guts

 

[OxShoeDrew]

A truly wonderful hunt Todd! I wanted to inquire about the wheat but Al beat me to it :lol:
You had a penny grand slam! I'll have to visit this thread again to take it all in :lol:

 

[del]

I'm hoping Jeyes or Don will comment on the counterfeits , as i'm really hoping they are the copies of the same variety.

 

[The Rebel]

WTG Todd! Definitely looks like a rapier to me based on the rings at the top of the guard.

 

[don in ny]

Not sure why you think it's counterfeit. It looks like one of the large letter varieties of 1787. Also like the clipped piece. I saw one once that had 4 clips on it. Silver knee buckles are RARE! Nice find!

 

[Jyes]

As Don M has stated, it is a large letter variety of 1787, after looking thru the books and a couple C4 auction catalogs, I am fairly certain the Obverse of both CT coppers, yours and Jeff's are Obverse 26, with no photo of Jeff's reverse, cannot say which reverse, either a.1 or AA, or kk.1.

CT coppers are hard to attribute at times, especially ground founds, but if Dan or Don M look maybe they can agree or disagree on what I think Todd's CT is. 1787 Miller 26-kk.1 Very hard to say with 100% certainty due to the wear/corrosion. I did not rule out a.1 or AA but I think I see a mismatch with both of those reverses.
http://www.coinfacts.com/colonial_c...ct_coppers/1787_ct_copper_miller_26_kk.01.htm Minted at "The Company for Coining Coppers" (November 12, 1785 - June 1, 1787) New Haven CT

No matter what, if it is a M.26, it is at least a Rare variety

I do not think they are counterfeits, but did you weigh them by any chance?

Don H

 

[Tony Two-Cent]

I'm watching this thread with great interest. I know next to nothing about state coppers but I'm trying to absorb everything I can on the subject. From what I understand, Todd only thought his copper was counterfeit due to how it rang up on his machine. It is curious that a genuine coin would ring up so low. Perhaps it is a genuine CT copper struck on an inferior planchet?

I will eat my popcorn and let the experts weigh in. opcorn: :thumbsup01:

 

[del]

Don and Jyes , Jeff's coin i was present when he found that coin it reads very low (like a bottle cap instead of copper coin) on the machines compared to a a usual Connecticut copper suggesting its not made with copper or a mixed metal composition. Todd has said in his post that his coin also does not read in the usual copper vdi's area of his machine , both coins look very grainy almost like they were made in a sand cast mould . I am mearly questioning that the same variety of Connecticut26 was used to make the cast for both counterfeits or were Connecticut coppers made with mixed or debased metals at the mint??


Todd could you weight this coin in atleast grams or grains , Jeff same question and also post a nice reverse picture.