I found these two last week I feel a little bad about the 10K gold rind when I was getting out of my car I saw a guy across the parking lot getting ready to MD too so we started talking and he's new to the hobbie and hasn't found anything really good yet. But he gets out everyday on his lunch break well after are short chat I left him to his side of the park while I hit the other end. Neither of us found anything good so we both left. The next day I decided to go back and hit the same park again and about 15 feet from where he was last swinging I found the 10K ring. Sorry