White's Spectra Vision (V3)

Re: White's Spectra V3 Vision

The ground Mineralization, especially when it is high plays a key roll in your filter settings. If your soil is Moderate to low you can get away with running the scale with the filter settings. In my experience the 5.0 Hz Band Pass provides the the best depth in this environment. The slow swing speed goes with the territory. Along with this a recovery setting ranging from 90 to 110 is a must. Don't be in a hurry. If you have a large yard to cover then spend more time there. If your time is limited hit the obvious areas first, along sidewalks, around old trees, along old clotheslines, etc. Trust me, you gain nothing by moving to fast. This is especially true if the area has been heavily hunted. You will find those deep old coins that others just whiz by. Angel is a perfect example of what is possible if you take your time and patiently grid your hunting areas. Three years ago I was digging clad and pulling rings and doing just great, but not finding any old coins. I started following the stories posted by Angel on various forums. He always found great old coins. I noticed all of his hunts had one thing in common. They were relaxed and methodical. Now in combination with newer technology such as the V3 and the E-Trac, this slow hunting style is key in taking the fullest advantage of all it has to offer. If you move fast, you will loose depth and the ability to pick out those old coins that are in close proximity to deep iron and other trash items. Higher filter settings give more accurate results on the analyze screen and are suited for faster swing speeds. Ideal for jewelry and targets down to 4 or 5 inches. I use a much faster pace with the Bigfoot coil on the v3 and typically a default factory setting on the Filter. I remember one hunt in particular that I pulled a lot of old coins in a 20 foot area on a parkway strip. I noticed there had been another detectorist before me. They had cut 3 or 4 plugs and no doubt found some targets. I spent about an hour and a half in that area. This was my take in the same area...

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Slow and steady will almost always produce more old coins.

I guess I never felt that moving at a snails speed and enjoying the outdoors and finding nice old coins was agonizing. ;) Hope this helps you understand why so slow.

Keep Swing'in
Jack
 
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I agree with your staements .....I have found that with the V.... the more you slw down with it the better you do.....My plan for the site I've been hitting is to clear as much surface to 4 or 5 in. as possible....and then slow down and start picking only the deep targets with hopes of old silver. :rolleyes: :cheesysmile:
 
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That really does look like a great location Leon. Thanks for taking the time to share the results with us here on the forum. One of these days I hope to get a chance to hunt a cellar hole.

Jack
 
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I agree with you guys also on a slow sweep speed. I previously thought my 3-4 sec sweep was good, and it did get me some great finds with my DFX, but I'm now thinking 5-6 sec sweep speed might be better yet. I'll really have to discipline myself to keep it SLOWWWW :grin:.
 
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I agree with you guys also on a slow sweep spee. I previously thought my 3-4 sec sweep was good, and it did get me some great finds with my DFX, but I'm now thinking 5-6 sec sweep speed might be better yet. I'll really have to discipline myself to keep it SLOWWWW :grin:.

Hey, I have the DFX and I noticed that if you go too slow with it you lose the target. Just try it when you find a target, but before you dig it, slow down your sweeps and see when it disappears. Just swing a bit faster than that and you will have the proper swing speed for those particular settings.
 
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Jack, Thanks for the awesome videos!!! I am so glad as a newbee to MD that I found American Detectorist and even more excited to have someone like Jack here as well with his knowledge and experience. What makes Jack such a great person is his willingness to share the knowledge with everyone. Thanks again Jack
 
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Your very kind pgwillin. Thank you for such a nice compliment. The learning experience of this forum depends on everyone sharing their discoveries and asking questions. I share what I have learned with the understanding that it is only my perception, and may not be applicable to everyone who swings a V3. There is always room for growth. I enjoy the hobby and the people who I come into contact with who are just as passionate about finding those old coins. Thanks again.

Keep Swing'in
Jack
 
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Jack,

I tried the V3 for about an hour today at my neighbors farm house trying different filters, testing the frequency, and using the 950 concentric. Nothing was detected with a resounding coin signal, couldn't dig as the ground is still frozen soild. Just having fun with the machine and learning.

Question for you: I'm still getting those -95, -94, +95 iron hits. While hitting these signals regulary it occured to me that maybe I should reject the -95, -94 VDI's in Discrimination. Reason for this is, I'm thinking the Wrap settings should still help the V3 correlate and normalize the 22.5 frequency to give me signal responses for coins and such, but still ignore the iron reponses in the negative range. I'm finding it a little distracting rechecking and ascertaining that those high beeps are junk, which all of them turned out to be. The graph was splattered or spiked with red, no 2.5 hz green, and spotty 7.5 Hz green and red signals in there. Wondering what you think?? Sidenote: Although I know the V3 is a different animal I have never found a good target above +92 VDI with either my DFX or MXT (the single one I did find at 92 VDI was with my DFX and was a '42 Walker @ 2-3) .

Thanks,
Scott
 
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Scott,
I would suspect being a farm there would be a great deal of trash around. You may just be dealing with this. A smaller DD coil will probably do better for you in this environment. I don't have a lot of experience with hunting farms, so I don't know how much help I can be on this subject. Lower filter settings have a tendency to be noisy and require slower coil movement. Make sure your swing speed matches your filter settings.

Jack
 
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Jack,

Thanks for the feedback.. I'll keep tweaking around with stuff in your correlate program, but it is a difficult site because of all the iron. I tried the Hi-Pro and Mixed-Mode Pro programs, with the Mixed-Mode Pro showing a lot of iron junk targets. This was an interesting program and seems to be one I'll explore more.

One thing I have learned is that my machine is functioning properly and I won't be sending it back to White's anytime soon. I'm really glad you have gotten the D2 to work too, again reaffirming the V3's engineering is good. Unlocking the V3's full potential should prove to be an interesting road!!

Scott
 
Trying out A New Approach To the Correlate Program

My last hunt at the &quot:daydream:ld Main site turned out to be a good one. See:http://www.americandetectorist.com/forum/index.php?topic=827.0 It was the maiden voyage of a new concept in discrimination settings on the V3. I had read some brief mentions of this technique on treasurenet, but could not find any additional follow up on the subject matter. I found it intriguing so I applied it to my Correlate program that seems to always be in beta stages as far as I am concerned. lol So anyway, the basis of this discrimination setting is to accept everything. You heard right...Except Everything! I went right down the line and set every last VDI to ACCEPT. The key to making this work without sending you into madness from all the noise is to use the CUSTOM TONE settings. Simply change all the VDI ranges you do not want to hear to a setting of 0. This setting turns the audio response off. So once again we are discriminating out targets without using the discrimination feature. The theory here is that this will speed up the response time in radically changing VDI response such as a non desirable target in close proximity to a good target. Combined with the Correlate Mode and Span Limit setting this will give you a very tight level of discrimination without the use of the Discrimination schema at all. This is all theory of course, but it works great. For the first time I felt as attached to the V3 as I used to with the DFX. I am very anxious to get over my test garden in the park where I have deeper targets buried. I might also make note of the fact that the coil I am using is the D2 coil. I am not getting the Wrap effect that I did with my first two D2 coils that were bad. I turned off the audio response from +95, -95, and -94 and the hunt was as quiet as ever. I did have the Correlate wrap adjustment set to -94 though. This may not be necessary. Only testing over deeper targets will bring this to light. Just thought I would share this info.

Keep Swing'in
Jack
 
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I am using this same sorta set up but in single freq. of 2.5 .I have about 5 tone blocks I use.I have been using it for quite some time now with pretty good results. Sure is quiet running wide open.Just needing more time in field with it.I am thinking it will be great.Cant wait to try my old 10x14 excelerator at my old ball field that has produced some very deep silver. On hold for now with weather and heart problems.May be derailed for a few months if it goes to open heart surgery.Will know more in a day or so . Good Luck to all. Yazoo
 
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Wow, I like that concept a lot :yes: All targets detected always makes for a better response. Using the tones to 0 is a great concept. I would have turned all disc items to a low tone (grunt if possible), but your idea opens up a lot of possibilities. Looking forward to seeing your programs develope. thumbsup01
 
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Jack,

I'm really liking the logic of this updated program. This might be the ticket for my iron infested farm yard, I'll have to test it out and let you know how it works. Interesting idea on speeding up the V3 response time by taking the disc processing out of the loop. I wonder what White's engineers would say about the processing speed of the V3, is the Disc progamming like a restricter plate on a NASCAR engine:huh:

Thanks for sharing,
Scott
 
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Yazoo, I am very interested in your variations in single frequency. Please keep us up to date on your findings. I think the 2.5 kHz mode offers the ultimate in depth over all. If we could learn to tame the beast this would be the definitive mode to hunt in.

Scott,
This runs a lot quieter than the version I used with the SEF coil. Please let us know how this behaves for you at the farm location. I just know you will pull some Silver out of there yet! It just snowed again here so it will be awhile before I can get to those deep targets in the park test garden. Looking forward to your results.

Keep Swing'in
Jack
 
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Jack, I like your idea. Let me know how it is working out for you. I won't be seeing bare, unfrozen ground for another 6 or 8 weeks anyways.
 
Re: Trying out A New Approach To the Correlate Program

My last hunt at the &quot:daydream:ld Main site turned out to be a good one. See:http://www.americandetectorist.com/forum/index.php?topic=827.0 It was the maiden voyage of a new concept in discrimination settings on the V3. I had read some brief mentions of this technique on treasurenet, but could not find any additional follow up on the subject matter. I found it intriguing so I applied it to my Correlate program that seems to always be in beta stages as far as I am concerned. lol So anyway, the basis of this discrimination setting is to accept everything. You heard right...Except Everything! I went right down the line and set every last VDI to ACCEPT. The key to making this work without sending you into madness from all the noise is to use the CUSTOM TONE settings. Simply change all the VDI ranges you do not want to hear to a setting of 0. This setting turns the audio response off. So once again we are discriminating out targets without using the discrimination feature. The theory here is that this will speed up the response time in radically changing VDI response such as a non desirable target in close proximity to a good target. Combined with the Correlate Mode and Span Limit setting this will give you a very tight level of discrimination without the use of the Discrimination schema at all. This is all theory of course, but it works great. For the first time I felt as attached to the V3 as I used to with the DFX. I am very anxious to get over my test garden in the park where I have deeper targets buried. I might also make note of the fact that the coil I am using is the D2 coil. I am not getting the Wrap effect that I did with my first two D2 coils that were bad. I turned off the audio response from +95, -95, and -94 and the hunt was as quiet as ever. I did have the Correlate wrap adjustment set to -94 though. This may not be necessary. Only testing over deeper targets will bring this to light. Just thought I would share this info.

Keep Swing'in
Jack


Jack can you share your updated Corrolate program along with the limits you are using on your span and wrap settings?

I changed my screen name, this is pgwillin, now and forever to be known as ArmyVetPaul..
 
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These are really exciting posts you guys are making.
Like Schrecky, I am also the Prisoner of Punxsutawney Phil
and He has put about 26+ inches of snow betwixt me and my dreams.
<sigh>

Keep swinging Guys,

Lope_Along
 
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Hey Paul!

I will get this info posted for you this weekend. I am really pretty excited over not using the discrimination logic on the V3 at all and still have the ability to be very precise with target information. We are suppossed to get to 50 degrees by Sunday. YIPPEEE!!!
 
Re: White's Spectra V3 Vision

These are really exciting posts you guys are making.
Like Schrecky, I am also the Prisoner of Punxsutawney Phil
and He has put about 26+ inches of snow betwixt me and my dreams.
<sigh>

Keep swinging Guys,

Lope_Along

Hang in there buddy. Only 40 to 60 days to go and we will be back in full swing.
 

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